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dear rajeev, anant,kamal & sunil,
with political will, suggestions put forth below,make total sense to
me-rajeev: as u state propogate-will use yr inputs to advatage for India by
straightaway telling 1 mr vittal 2  mr msgill 3  an important jt secy who is
known to me in min of info technology 4 indian banks assn chief  5 governer
RBI  5 media 6 use some of yr inputs in elocution contests as opening
remarks- first one in Delhi is scheduled for 22 may 01-topic: ERADICATING
CORRUPTION, what can be done in coming 100 days.- iim, ahmedabad alumni assn
Delhi chapter initiative(to which I belong);we have planned to hold these
elocution contests all over the country.
Rajeev-will take it that u concur & support above- unless u e-mail me back
by IST 12 noon 26 april 01.-++ ideas always welcome! Am also e-mailing u
inputs of a cause we hv taken up-this is for yr use & complimenting &
supporting the same right away-
kind regards
promod chawla
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Anant Trivedi [mailto:anant_t@hotmail.com]
  Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 11:02 PM
  To: promod_chawla@netkracker.com
  Subject: Fwd: we can flush out corruption from India


  ----Original Message Follows----

  From: "Rajeev Sinha"
  Reply-To: debate@indiapolicy.org
  To: debate@indiapolicy.org
  Subject: we can flush out corruption from India
  Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:15:26 -0700 (PDT)
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  The corruption in India is as old as the history itself and its tentacles
  are deep into the system. But in recent days it has appeared in the
ugliest
  faces. Though I would like to discuss here only that face which involves
the
  money transaction. Time to time political parties there, with all its
  politicians (needless to say corrupt politicians) rant the sky with some
  catchy slogans that they are going to remove corruption in next few days,
  but unfortunately corruption is very much there to stay and itís become a
  rule rather than exception. You can face it, feel it on every walks of
life.
  Go to any government office you will feel how the so-called officers suck
  the blood out of you. And the result of this corruption is that even after
  five decades of independence half of the Indians are illiterate (i.e. they
  are quite ignorant of the three Rís and canít even write their names) and
  more than 35 crore population is below the poverty line and live in abject
  poverty. If we look at the Indian economy, in terms of purchasing power
  parity, itís ahead of the America, Britain and many so called western
  developed countries, but by the grace of our great national politicians we
  are among the poorest and most corrupt countries in the world.
  Despite that I see silver linings of hope that if the current government
  wishes, corruption can be eliminated to a large extent (at least by 80% I
  hope), if not by 100%.
  If we see the way of money transaction in America, we find that itís
mostly
  through banks. Banks play a major role in the transaction of money in
daily
  business. You can pay any amount of dollar ( from 1 cent to a billion
dollar
  ) either through your personal cheques or through your credit cards ,
  depending upon its credit limit. The main thing to emphasize here is that
  the electronically transaction of money, makes it more and more
transparent
  to the regulating or law enforcing authority. On a similar pattern we need
  to develop a system in our country. But the biggest hurdle is our
  illiteracy, one billion strong population and half a billion population
  living in poverty. But there is nothing that we canít do. There are many
  ways out of it. Here are the following steps we can firmly and slowly move
  onÖÖ..
  1. The move of the election commission to issue identity cards has failed
  miserably. The main reason was that no database was properly maintained
and
  many people were able to have identity cards in different names. For
example
  (say) Ram Kumar was able to have identity card in the name of Ram Kumar,
  Shyam Kumar as well as Mohan Kumar i.e. one man with three identity cards.
  Beside that the card had other discrepancies in it like wrong name and all
  that. What I suggest is that every Indian should be issued an electronic
  photo identity card with a unique identity number and most importantly
their
  electronic database should be maintained. The unique identity number can
be
  used everywhere to ascertain the identity of the cardholder (similar to
  Social Security Number in USA) The electronic photo identity card will
have
  magnetic tape on it (just like credit cards) which when scanned will give
  instantly all the details of itís holder person. These kind of electronic
  identity cards are not very costly and are issued to students in many
  colleges and universities in USA, Australia and other countries. This
  electronic photo identity card will play a major role in checking the
  corruption. It will have many benefits like maintaining law and order but
  currently we will stick to its benefit in checking economic corruption.
  The government will later make is mandatory that every person who opens an
  account in banks will have to produce this identity card and people who
  already have their accounts give their identity number to the bank. Banks
  can freeze the account if the account holder fails to produce his / her
  identity number to the bank. The bank can verify the authenticity of
  identity card immediately by scanning through computer through the main
  database. This will put a check on those people who have so many Ďbenamií
  accounts. Further, when the issue of electronic photo identity card is
over,
  the government can frame a rule so that every transaction of above Rs.
  5,000/- or Rs.10,000/- in personal accounts are through cheques only and
  individuals canít withdraw cash from bank if itís more than Rs. 10,000/-.
A
  person can do all his/her purchasing and payments electronically through
  Debit Cards or Credit Cards. Of course problems and hardships will arise
but
  we will have to pay the price for cleaning up the society.
  2. Biggest question arises here is how to and from where to start this
  process? I feel that this process must start in phases. In the first phase
  all those people should be covered who have accounts in banks and this can
  be done in all the states simultaneously. This first phase needs utmost
care
  and cross verifications because it deals with those people who really use
  and misuse their money. In the second phase those people will be covered
who
  are not having any bank accounts. This phase will have another kind of
  difficulty because it constitutes poor and illiterate people. But
  economically they are harmless and I strongly believe that their
  contribution in economic crimes is nil. The whole process can be safely
  stretched to 3-4 years so that cross-verifications are ,in some cases,
  carried out and rectified accordingly.
  3. With this kind of a system I am confident that it will bring
transparency
  in the transaction of money in India and people will not be able to hide
  their black money. As with this kind of transparency government can see
who
  is earning what and where the money is coming from. This will increase the
  tax-base and tax evasion will be controlled with remarkable success.
  4. Also the total cost in this issuance of electronic identity card to our
  one billion Indian countrymen will not be more than twenty (20) billion
  rupees . I am sure that the Indian Government can happily afford to spend
  that much amount of money in the span of 2-3 years. ( In case of any fund
  shortage government can seek monetary help from Laloo-Rabdi, Jayalalita
and
  the like. They have enough money )
  But the success of whole process needs some prerequisites. I will not ask
  for a strong political will because our politicians do not have that, or
if
  at all they have any will, it is to make money by hook or by crook. So the
  simplest things required are ÖÖÖ..
  1.Expedite the process of computerization of banks in India so that banks
  are connected through networks.
  2. It needs to make sure that the electronic identity card is not of poor
  quality and it lasts for years
  3.Strong will of common people to accept the new system which will make
our
  country prosper, else we will be condemned to leave a corrupt, polluted,
  divided, poor, illiterate and undeveloped India for the posterity.
  Jai Hind
  Rajeev Sinha
  USA
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rajeev, anant,kamal &amp; sunil,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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political will, suggestions put forth below,make total sense to=20
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for=20
India by straightaway</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D550483000-24042001> telling&nbsp;1 mr vittal 2  mr msgill =
3&nbsp; an=20
important jt secy who is  known to me in min of info technology 4 indian =
banks=20
assn chief&nbsp; 5 governer RBI&nbsp; 5 media 6 use some of yr inputs in =

elocution contests as opening remarks- first one in Delhi is scheduled =
for 22=20
may 01-topic: ERADICATING CORRUPTION, what can be done in coming 100 =
days.- iim,=20
ahmedabad alumni assn Delhi chapter initiative(to which I belong);we =
have=20
planned to hold these elocution contests all over the=20
country.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D550483000-24042001>Rajeev-will take it that u concur &amp; =
support above-=20
unless u e-mail me back by&nbsp;IST 12 noon 26 april 01.-++ ideas always =

welcome! Am also e-mailing u</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN class=3D550483000-24042001> inputs of a cause we hv taken =
up-this is=20
for yr use &amp; complimenting &amp; supporting the same right=20
away-</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D550483000-24042001>kind=20
regards</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D550483000-24042001>promod=20
chawla</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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  size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Anant Trivedi=20
  [mailto:anant_t@hotmail.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 23, 2001 =
11:02=20
  PM<BR><B>To:</B> promod_chawla@netkracker.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Fwd: =
we can=20
  flush out corruption from India<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
  <DIV>
  <P>----Original Message Follows---- </P></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>From: "Rajeev Sinha" <RAJEEVKSINHA@HOTMAIL.COM>
  <DIV></DIV>Reply-To: debate@indiapolicy.org=20
  <DIV></DIV>To: debate@indiapolicy.org=20
  <DIV></DIV>Subject: we can flush out corruption from India=20
  <DIV></DIV>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:15:26 -0700 (PDT)=20
  <DIV></DIV>
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  <DIV></DIV>Please help make the Manifesto better, or accept it, and =
propagate=20
  it!=20
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  <DIV></DIV>The corruption in India is as old as the history itself and =
its=20
  tentacles=20
  <DIV></DIV>are deep into the system. But in recent days it has =
appeared in the=20
  ugliest=20
  <DIV></DIV>faces. Though I would like to discuss here only that face =
which=20
  involves the=20
  <DIV></DIV>money transaction. Time to time political parties there, =
with all=20
  its=20
  <DIV></DIV>politicians (needless to say corrupt politicians) rant the =
sky with=20
  some=20
  <DIV></DIV>catchy slogans that they are going to remove corruption in =
next few=20
  days,=20
  <DIV></DIV>but unfortunately corruption is very much there to stay and =
it&#8217;s=20
  become a=20
  <DIV></DIV>rule rather than exception. You can face it, feel it on =
every walks=20
  of life.=20
  <DIV></DIV>Go to any government office you will feel how the so-called =

  officers suck=20
  <DIV></DIV>the blood out of you. And the result of this corruption is =
that=20
  even after=20
  <DIV></DIV>five decades of independence half of the Indians are =
illiterate=20
  (i.e. they=20
  <DIV></DIV>are quite ignorant of the three R&#8217;s and can&#8217;t =
even write their=20
  names) and=20
  <DIV></DIV>more than 35 crore population is below the poverty line and =
live in=20
  abject=20
  <DIV></DIV>poverty. If we look at the Indian economy, in terms of =
purchasing=20
  power=20
  <DIV></DIV>parity, it&#8217;s ahead of the America, Britain and many =
so called=20
  western=20
  <DIV></DIV>developed countries, but by the grace of our great national =

  politicians we=20
  <DIV></DIV>are among the poorest and most corrupt countries in the =
world.=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>Despite that I see silver linings of hope that if the =
current=20
  government=20
  <DIV></DIV>wishes, corruption can be eliminated to a large extent (at =
least by=20
  80% I=20
  <DIV></DIV>hope), if not by 100%.=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>If we see the way of money transaction in America, we find =
that=20
  it&#8217;s mostly=20
  <DIV></DIV>through banks. Banks play a major role in the transaction =
of money=20
  in daily=20
  <DIV></DIV>business. You can pay any amount of dollar ( from 1 cent to =
a=20
  billion dollar=20
  <DIV></DIV>) either through your personal cheques or through your =
credit cards=20
  ,=20
  <DIV></DIV>depending upon its credit limit. The main thing to =
emphasize here=20
  is that=20
  <DIV></DIV>the electronically transaction of money, makes it more and =
more=20
  transparent=20
  <DIV></DIV>to the regulating or law enforcing authority. On a similar =
pattern=20
  we need=20
  <DIV></DIV>to develop a system in our country. But the biggest hurdle =
is our=20
  <DIV></DIV>illiteracy, one billion strong population and half a =
billion=20
  population=20
  <DIV></DIV>living in poverty. But there is nothing that we can&#8217;t =
do. There are=20
  many=20
  <DIV></DIV>ways out of it. Here are the following steps we can firmly =
and=20
  slowly move=20
  <DIV></DIV>on&#8230;&#8230;..=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>1. The move of the election commission to issue identity =
cards has=20
  failed=20
  <DIV></DIV>miserably. The main reason was that no database was =
properly=20
  maintained and=20
  <DIV></DIV>many people were able to have identity cards in different =
names.=20
  For example=20
  <DIV></DIV>(say) Ram Kumar was able to have identity card in the name =
of Ram=20
  Kumar,=20
  <DIV></DIV>Shyam Kumar as well as Mohan Kumar i.e. one man with three =
identity=20
  cards.=20
  <DIV></DIV>Beside that the card had other discrepancies in it like =
wrong name=20
  and all=20
  <DIV></DIV>that. What I suggest is that every Indian should be issued =
an=20
  electronic=20
  <DIV></DIV>photo identity card with a unique identity number and most=20
  importantly their=20
  <DIV></DIV>electronic database should be maintained. The unique =
identity=20
  number can be=20
  <DIV></DIV>used everywhere to ascertain the identity of the cardholder =

  (similar to=20
  <DIV></DIV>Social Security Number in USA) The electronic photo =
identity card=20
  will have=20
  <DIV></DIV>magnetic tape on it (just like credit cards) which when =
scanned=20
  will give=20
  <DIV></DIV>instantly all the details of it&#8217;s holder person. =
These kind of=20
  electronic=20
  <DIV></DIV>identity cards are not very costly and are issued to =
students in=20
  many=20
  <DIV></DIV>colleges and universities in USA, Australia and other =
countries.=20
  This=20
  <DIV></DIV>electronic photo identity card will play a major role in =
checking=20
  the=20
  <DIV></DIV>corruption. It will have many benefits like maintaining law =
and=20
  order but=20
  <DIV></DIV>currently we will stick to its benefit in checking economic =

  corruption.=20
  <DIV></DIV>The government will later make is mandatory that every =
person who=20
  opens an=20
  <DIV></DIV>account in banks will have to produce this identity card =
and people=20
  who=20
  <DIV></DIV>already have their accounts give their identity number to =
the bank.=20
  Banks=20
  <DIV></DIV>can freeze the account if the account holder fails to =
produce his /=20
  her=20
  <DIV></DIV>identity number to the bank. The bank can verify the =
authenticity=20
  of=20
  <DIV></DIV>identity card immediately by scanning through computer =
through the=20
  main=20
  <DIV></DIV>database. This will put a check on those people who have so =
many=20
  &#8216;benami&#8217;=20
  <DIV></DIV>accounts. Further, when the issue of electronic photo =
identity card=20
  is over,=20
  <DIV></DIV>the government can frame a rule so that every transaction =
of above=20
  Rs.=20
  <DIV></DIV>5,000/- or Rs.10,000/- in personal accounts are through =
cheques=20
  only and=20
  <DIV></DIV>individuals can&#8217;t withdraw cash from bank if =
it&#8217;s more than Rs.=20
  10,000/-. A=20
  <DIV></DIV>person can do all his/her purchasing and payments =
electronically=20
  through=20
  <DIV></DIV>Debit Cards or Credit Cards. Of course problems and =
hardships will=20
  arise but=20
  <DIV></DIV>we will have to pay the price for cleaning up the society.=20
  <DIV></DIV>2. Biggest question arises here is how to and from where to =
start=20
  this=20
  <DIV></DIV>process? I feel that this process must start in phases. In =
the=20
  first phase=20
  <DIV></DIV>all those people should be covered who have accounts in =
banks and=20
  this can=20
  <DIV></DIV>be done in all the states simultaneously. This first phase =
needs=20
  utmost care=20
  <DIV></DIV>and cross verifications because it deals with those people =
who=20
  really use=20
  <DIV></DIV>and misuse their money. In the second phase those people =
will be=20
  covered who=20
  <DIV></DIV>are not having any bank accounts. This phase will have =
another kind=20
  of=20
  <DIV></DIV>difficulty because it constitutes poor and illiterate =
people. But=20
  <DIV></DIV>economically they are harmless and I strongly believe that =
their=20
  <DIV></DIV>contribution in economic crimes is nil. The whole process =
can be=20
  safely=20
  <DIV></DIV>stretched to 3-4 years so that cross-verifications are ,in =
some=20
  cases,=20
  <DIV></DIV>carried out and rectified accordingly.=20
  <DIV></DIV>3. With this kind of a system I am confident that it will =
bring=20
  transparency=20
  <DIV></DIV>in the transaction of money in India and people will not be =
able to=20
  hide=20
  <DIV></DIV>their black money. As with this kind of transparency =
government can=20
  see who=20
  <DIV></DIV>is earning what and where the money is coming from. This =
will=20
  increase the=20
  <DIV></DIV>tax-base and tax evasion will be controlled with remarkable =

  success.=20
  <DIV></DIV>4. Also the total cost in this issuance of electronic =
identity card=20
  to our=20
  <DIV></DIV>one billion Indian countrymen will not be more than twenty =
(20)=20
  billion=20
  <DIV></DIV>rupees . I am sure that the Indian Government can happily =
afford to=20
  spend=20
  <DIV></DIV>that much amount of money in the span of 2-3 years. ( In =
case of=20
  any fund=20
  <DIV></DIV>shortage government can seek monetary help from =
Laloo-Rabdi,=20
  Jayalalita and=20
  <DIV></DIV>the like. They have enough money )=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>But the success of whole process needs some prerequisites. =
I will=20
  not ask=20
  <DIV></DIV>for a strong political will because our politicians do not =
have=20
  that, or if=20
  <DIV></DIV>at all they have any will, it is to make money by hook or =
by crook.=20
  So the=20
  <DIV></DIV>simplest things required are &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..=20
  <DIV></DIV>1.Expedite the process of computerization of banks in India =
so that=20
  banks=20
  <DIV></DIV>are connected through networks.=20
  <DIV></DIV>2. It needs to make sure that the electronic identity card =
is not=20
  of poor=20
  <DIV></DIV>quality and it lasts for years=20
  <DIV></DIV>3.Strong will of common people to accept the new system =
which will=20
  make our=20
  <DIV></DIV>country prosper, else we will be condemned to leave a =
corrupt,=20
  polluted,=20
  <DIV></DIV>divided, poor, illiterate and undeveloped India for the =
posterity.=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>Jai Hind=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>Rajeev Sinha=20
  <DIV></DIV>USA=20
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