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Ritu's misconception of individual freedoms....

[Topics under debate]: GOOD GOVERNANCE
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    I thank the moderator and I congratulate Ritu.  Name-calling is ok in a
debate room as things get heated up.  But I would have been deeply
disappointed by Ritu if she didn't follow through with a reasonable
explanation/debate and assume the following is such an attempt.  Let us
dissect it to make it more interesting.

    First, you have meandered through the maze of topics and spread yourself
thin on almost everything.  I would like us to focus on Freedoms of an average
Indian.  If you read my mail carefully, I have carefully stated that the men
in J&K are fighting for the freedoms of all Indians while the Government of
India (GoI) has done everything it could in the past 50 years to take away
some fundamental freedoms from Indian Citizens - not an obvious assertion to
prove because the GoI has done this "behind our back".

    The GoI is NOT a government to the people and by the people.  It is a
self-serving institution that is not worthy of the brave men who are now
fighting for everyone's freedoms in Kargil!!  I am afraid if you are not
understanding this simple point, you will be tempted to write another
elaborate (meandering) reply.  So let me take great care this time to present
a few examples.

    The GoI, as an institution, served its interests by creating monopolies in
almost every critical sector imaginable.  We all know how much the public can
benefit through competition in every sector.  If GoI was truly for the people
then it would have opted for intense competition in areas like Telecom, roads,
power, etc.  Never in its 50 years was the public good a concern for this
self-serving institution!  It had created DoT and VSNL which still plague the
Telecom sector to this day and because of it the people of India pay the price
with high rates and poor quality.  Even now, the GoI is doing everything it
can to maintain the duopoly.

    Now, if he GoI was interested in the people and their freedoms the
following would have evolved through our history.  Individuals would be able
to own whatever businesses they choose to.  Furthermore, these individuals
would be encouraged to compete so that no one company/individual will create a
monopoly which will take advantage of the public at large.  The fact that
neither of these 2 things happened in India's history means we can conclude
the following: the GoI is not interested in the individual within its society
- no such freedoms would be granted to them.  The GoI is not interested in
quality of services to the public as much as it is interested in making money
for itself!!

    So, while brave men hammer it out at Kargil so that some fundamental
freedoms of all Indians are preserved, the GoI has been doing everything it
can to pull the rug from under our feet!!  Do you dig my point?

    Simply saying "jai bharat maatha" isn't going to save us as we can teach
an voice synthesizer to do this for us.  That is, an obedient drone can
accomplish this task.  Using our brains a little to improve our reasoning
skills might do us some good.

Vamsi M.

Ritu Ko wrote:

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> [Topics under debate]: GOOD GOVERNANCE
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> [Moderator's Note: Thanks Ritu for obliging my request.]
> You have mentioned 2 things in your letter. The first can only be termed
> as
> a comment on a personality. I have been asked to [and have agreed to]
> refrain from making such comments. So, that leaves me with just one
> topic to
> respond to.
>         Now on to Kargil. There Indians are standing up for the sake of
> the safety
> and security of other Indians, and for the sake of the territorial
> integrity
> of Bhaarat Maata. Not for the sake of freedoms of other Indians - think
> on
> it for a moment. If we lose the control of the sector, whose freedoms
> would
> be lost? The people of J&K anyway do not enjoy much freedom [it is hard
> to
> that with constant shelling, bombing and other such activities]; the
> rest of
> the Indians would be as free if the army holds ground on a more
> convenient
> terrain. So, even if we loose portions of J&K, we would still be free.
> No,
> the reason has more to do with what you call blind patriotism and
> national
> pride. I say this with a certain degree of authority because I know the
> people posted on the Kargil front. They are close friends, they are
> brothers
> of close friends. They are as individualistic as any of us in this
> forum,
> but [luckily for us] they believe in blind patriotism too.
>         It is true that a nation is made of the individuals living in
> that nation.
> It is also true that in most circumstances, if you take care of the
> individual freedoms it serves the interests of the country. But there
> have
> always been circumstances and situations when to serve the interests of
> the
> country, individual freedoms have been curtailed and rightfully so. To
> take
> the example of the country you so much admire, this is precisely what
> did in the 1930s to steer US out of economic depression. You see, there
> are
> times when the nation as a whole is facing danger and that is the time
> when
> the patriotism of each individual is tested. You are expected to think
> of
> more than your personal interests and freedoms [if the soldiers on the
> front
> choose this moment to protect their interests by striking for better
> pay, it
> would not be a pretty picture]. I, for one, consider this aspect of
> patriotism neither blind nor coercive. I find it a flip side of the coin
> of
> citizenship. India may not be even close to perfect, but it is my
> country.
> There is lot that I have received from this country, I would be ashamed
> if I
> cannot find enough patriotism in me to willingly give up some of my
> rights
> if that is the need of the hour. For what are my rights if not my
> possessions, what use are possessions if they cannot be used towards the
> end
> I desire?
>         We have been saying 'Bhaarat Maata ki jai' for hundreds of years
> [not just
> 50 yrs]. Hopefully this will be said for hundreds of years more.
>                         Regards et al,
>                             Ritu
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Vamsi M.

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