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Re: Reply to Indranil Das Gupta on Dual Citizenship

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-----Original Message-----
From: Indranil DasGupta <wanabond@hotmail.com>
To: debate@indiapolicy.org <debate@indiapolicy.org>
Date: 05 November, 1998 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: Reply to Prabhu Guptara on Dual Citizenship

"...... that the USGovt offers dual citizenship to all its citizens
as long
>as the other country reciprocates, e.g. citizens of Bangladeshi
>origin in the United States hold dual citizenship
>because Bangladesh allows it. (BTW, the U.S. Seventh Fleet was
>sent to Chittagong harbour, so according to your theory, it is not
>advisable for U.S.nationals of Bangladeshi origin to accept dual
>citizenship in case future hostility breaks out)."

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The question is not if US Govt offers D-C or not but whether India
offer it or not.

At the time when US Seventh Fleet was sent to Chittagong, Bangladesh
DID NOT exist - it  was a beleaguered part of Pakistan.

Again, what the US  nationals of Bangladesh origin do is their
we have to consider what is good for India and whether it should
allow this.


>During WWII, many German-Americans who held dual citizenship fought
>in the American Army; many also chose not to fight. This is a
>decision. You are obviously taking a risk by accepting dual
>but that's life.
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America is a mixer of people who held different nationalities before
became American Citizens. That Germans who had become American
citizens must have fought is obvious. But I suggest you verify how
of those who fought HELD D-C. (in the interest of arriving at
correct conclu-

I am also not sure, if the American citizens have the choice to
fight or not.
They can be asked by law to take up arms.

(See excerpt quoted at the end from I am Azhar's correspondence,
to day, dt 05 Nov 98 on Public - Dual Citizenship ).


".................You can't expect the Indian community to reject
>citizenship just because there is some remote possibility of future
>conflict between U.S. and India. Such "Chicken little" arguments
>hold water."
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This is again back to square one ! No one is "expecting" the Indian
community to either accept or reject D - C.  The simple question is
Whether India Govt should allow  D - C.

>One other thing. Indians, wherever they may be, were, are and
>question of "giving up" allegiance. We U.S. Nationals of Indian
>origin love America with all our heart as well. There is enough
>space in our hearts and minds for both countries. DUAL CITIZENSHIP

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(PARDON ME,  let's have some fun after this serious Debate,)

Although, you may be a fit case for Split Personality ,

(Fun-Time Over, Thanks)

Knowing you to be a son of Bengal imbued with Self-consciousness
and the sense of Responsibility to carry onward the Proud heritage
Bankim Chandra Chattopadhyaya, the Great Swami Vivekanand,
the Voice of its Inner Soul Ravindranath Tagore, to name only three
of the great souls it has produced, WHAT LESS CAN I EXPECT
FROM YOU ? But we do miss everyone who goes away - not for
the economic benefits but say, like the loss a brother or at least a
kindred soul.

Blaise Pascal said, " The Entire ocean is affected even by a Pebble
" , and so
it is. A mother with 100 sons "misses" each single one of them
"separately" :
her loss of one is not mitigated by the fact that she still has 99

My dear friends, most of us are economic refugees, looking for
pastures, but I for one am unable to see the need to change one's
lity except in exceptional cases such as that of Prof.Prabhu Guptara
has to travel extensively.

I would rather suggest canvassing for "Visa-free" travel. As
remarked in an
earlier posting, if trade-goods can travel across national
boundaries without
barriers, why not human-goods ? It can give much needed boost to
since trained manpower is required to run any industry and Indians
have the
third biggest pool of qualified personnel in the world and so stands
a good
chance to corner a big part of the trained-labour market.



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