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- Aha! One more attack on good sense,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Some more research needed,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Re: Electoral reform - final call!,
prabhu.guptara
- Re: Electoral reform,
Liberty Institute
- Re: Agricultural reforms,
PJShah
- Prem, simply lose hope ...,
Suresh Anand
- The 'efficiency' of corruption,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Research: USA: Political campaign reform,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- RE: Some more research needed (resend)Manoj Padki[SMTP:mpadki@tiac.net] writes:,
Charudatt
- Charu: your point is like Marx's point,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- RE: Let's be honest with ourselves for a minute.,
Manjunath Somayaji
- Re: Some more research needed (campaign contributions),
Kush Khatri
- MPs now get,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- CEC's good suggestions,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- On Gandhi, Congress, and campaign finance,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Trusteeship, the nature of man, and utopia,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- PUBLIC: Re: Trusteeship, the nature of man, and utopia Dear SS (if you will allow me to address you so!) I have been following the IP discussions for a short while and your EM below interested me. It seems that you allow a liberal fallacy space in your mind when you attribute the advances of the US system to liberalism, because liberalism can only work where there is a minimum moral framework. In the case of the USA, this has been provided largely by Protestantism (though assisted, of course by Judaism and Catholicism). The reason I attribute Protestantism a larger role is first for historical reasons (with which you are well acquainted, I imagine) but secondly and mainly because Protestantism has continued to provide a moral framework through the atomisation of social structures which is an inevitable result of industrialisation and modernisation (Judaism and Catholicism have been able to sustain such influence largely where their social structures have remained intact). As social structures in India disintegrate with the impact of modernisation and industrialisation, we have no body providing a moral framework any more, and the result is the corruption we all deplore. The "return" to a new-fangled Hinduism invented by the BJP and its allies will not do, because their theologies offer no rational basis for morality. Nor do our traditional theologies. But I come to a more basic point: MOST systems can be made to work, at least after a fashion, where the majority of people are honest, hard-working, and have some sense of their responsibilities to others and to the overall society (or country or State or World). EVERY system will break down where such a moral sense is absent. It could be argued that the present system in the US is breaking down because the US has become morally a two-tier society, with "grass-roots" mentality still shaped by Protestantism, but the "commanding heights of the society" now shaped by no sense of morality at all, except the values of money, personal greed/comfort and power. I do not find that any of the discussions in IP have addressed this basic problem thus far. Prabhu (is fine to call me) Professor Prabhu Guptara Director, Organisational and Executive Development Wolfsberg Executive Development Centre (a subsidiary of UBS AG) CH-8272 Ermatingen Switzerland Tel: + 41.71.663.5605 Fax: +41.71.663.5590 e-mail: prabhu.guptara@ubs.com,
Prabhu Guptara
- Electoral Reforms - Joining the discussion,
Devarajan
- Just hit a GOLDMINE!!!,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Charu, now we are speaking in one voice:,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- MP's salary hike,
Shantanu Kumar Barua
- Re: PUBLIC: Re: Trusteeship, the nature of man, and utopia,
Kush Khatri
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- Re: PUBLIC: Re: Trusteeship, the nature of man, and utopia,
Prabhu.Guptara
- Re: PUBLIC: Re: Trusteeship, the nature of man, and utopia,
Kush Khatri
- Re: PUBLIC: Re: Trusteeship, the nature of man, and utopia,
Girish Malpani
- Re: PUBLIC: Re: Trusteeship, the nature of man, and utopia,
prabhu.guptara
- The question of morality,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Let us now summarize and agree,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Exellent: the end of the debate nears!,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- PUBLIC: Re: Just hit a GOLDMINE!!!,
Prabhu.Guptara
- Well ... I'm confused ...,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Mahbub-ul-Haq,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- PUBLIC: Re: Well ... I'm confused ...,
Prabhu Guptara
- Hello, I'm back!,
Rozario
- Well, then, where is the cancer virus?,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Kush, I am offering the 'draft agreement.',
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Where we stand: Bird's eye view,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Religion, Corruption, Morality,
Ram Narayanan
- I would go by that,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Reviewers to be shortlisted,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- The highest duty of man,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- My sincere concern,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Compilation of the World's Acts,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Swami Vivekananda's letter,
N. Arvind Kumar
- A section on "Citizens' Concerns",
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Interesting headline: "People's concern",
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- RE: Arvind's quote,
Charudatt
- Tackling Corruption,
N. Arvind Kumar
- Article on Quotas,
Ajay Gandhi
- What is this? Rural Development?,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Suggestion for a pause to recap points,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- What is good?,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- For Kush,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Socialism vs Capitalism,
N. Arvind Kumar
- Re: Skinner-The system?,
Kush Khatri
- Excellent point:can we now have the contingencies:,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- India Together,
Prem Rallabandi
- A relevant debate,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- India Together, and the ism debate,
Ash Mahesh
- Happy August 15th!,
Isha Trivedi
- That won't do, Ratan!,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Admn. Reform, and other update/s,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Addition to Code of conduct page,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Action points.,
K.S.Sastry
- code of conduct,
Ash Mahesh
- 10 pt 'formula': a response,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Forwarded msg,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Convertability, etc,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Alternative perspectives,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- FraudNET,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Updates, etc.,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Free, but "Citizen"?,
Ash Mahesh
- Rajeev Srinivasan's article:,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Food for thought,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Krishnan Varma's short story,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Corruption during Nehruvian era,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Basic Objectives,
Apoorv Misra
- Forwarding some views.,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- A conversation with Ashwini.,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Arvind's note on convertability,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Administrative,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Oh well, I'm back,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- OK. We're going to have our domain,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Fair society,
Ash Mahesh
- Completion of registration,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- One more reason for Hyderabad to be the HQ,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Here's what happens to corruption prevention attempts...,
Manjunath Somayaji
- Ash: try this one:,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- A comment from a fellow alumni from GNDUU,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- this is not what we want,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- The Alternative Draft,
Ash Mahesh
- try this one:,
Arvind
- patriotism,
Ash Mahesh
- quick resp.,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Don't forget hunger strikes!,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- the boundaries of "our" society,
Ash Mahesh
- "Two Lucky People",
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Predatory vs. Democratic state,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Los Angeles City Council,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Salaries of LA Police officers,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Alternative draft: changes now on web,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- changes to web site,
Ash Mahesh
- Addition to manifesto:,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- updates/ one more para for agenda,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Memo of association - a question,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Anyone in San Fransico ?,
Antony Joseph
- Participatory Democracy,
Ash Mahesh
- multiplicity,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Problems with 'participatory democracy',
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- India: micro level issues,
Sameer Bandhu
- Re: quick resp.-Hongkong,
Kush Khatri
- micro issues,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Central bank being a private one,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Inherently Government Functions,
Ash Mahesh
- A small correction,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- When is a 'model' relevant?,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- A note on bottom-up/top-down approach,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- New domain is functional,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Why IP, etc,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- test: please ignore,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Do we need greater focus/action?,
Ash Mahesh
- equality,
Ash Mahesh
- Action?,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- A vital commitment!,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- FW: Do we need greater focus/action?,
Arvind
- IP Policy on Shipping,
Suresh Anand
- My ideas on policy on Ports and related issues,
Suresh Anand
- Re: quick resp.-Hong kong,
Suresh Anand
- Scope of IndiaPolicy;,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- I must jump in!,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- "Naukri as Property," by Madhu Kishwar,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Wealth of MPs,
Arvind
- Code of conduct - one more thought,
Ash Mahesh
- Avalanche needs to be curbed!,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Change of guard,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Rediff article on Education,
Suresh Anand
- PUBLIC: Re: When is a 'model' relevant? (Hong Kong),
prabhu.guptara
- recasting educational policy alongside other policie,
prabhu.guptara
- Ajay has agreed to be Secretary of IP,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- MPs to donate funds to party,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Foundation for Democratic Reform,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Coop law:,
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Rural Areas, Education etc.,
Arvind
- Misc. (administrative),
Sanjeev Sabhlok
- Two medical systems?,
Prabhu Guptara
- how did the Mangalwadis support themselves? The answer to the question is simple: people who knew what he was trying to achieve supported him financially (and still do). His books and lectures and broadcasts obviously produce some money. And he still does not have much more than the clothes he stands up in ....so it does have something to do with dedication (he has just offered to donate all the rights for his filmscripts to found a new Indian charity). The point is not whether he has become my friend as a result of his work or whether I would like people to buy his books. The point is that his ACTUAL EXPERIENCES AND THE RESULTING REFLECTIONS are worth thinking about in the context of our policy-making, so that we can be REALISTIC in the policies we develop. But, Kush, you are absolutely right when you say "infrastructure cannot be developed without government taking the lead". Infrastructure development is one of the key tasks of government, though it may not be necessary for government to fund all the development itself. Prabhu,
Prabhu Guptara
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