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Re: On the nuclear weapons issue



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The logic that I am advising is that we look beyond Pakistan if we are to be taken seriously!!

Sincerely,
Vamsi M.


> In the list of countries which you claim help prop up Pakistan (directly
> or indirectly,) you do not mention Russia. Isn't Russia, which
> is the main supplier of state-of-the-art weaponry to China, helping
> sustain Chinese national power and thereby contributing, indirectly, to
> China's ability to supply and sustain Pakistan's military? Following this
> logic, I wonder if there is any major nation on earth left against
> whom we do not have to defend ourselves. Is this a
> realistic way of fashioning a defense strategy?
> Abhijit
>
> On Sat, 27 Oct 2001 sdcvamsi@yahoo.com wrote:
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> > My point is quiet simple: we are so fixated on Pakistan (or some other Islamic nations) that we are
> > missing an even bigger picture!  Pakistan is belligerent because it has the support of other military
> > powers, namely China, North Korea, USA, etc.
> > (directly or indirectly)!  For example, Pak's missile and nuclear programs were successful because of
> > support from North Korea and China!  So, we must focus on something beyond our border nations if we are
> > going to have a successful long-term
> > foreign policy.
> >
> > India MUST focus on new military technologies and there is really no other way!  And the model that I
> > think is best for India is one where Government funding produces high quality (sophisticated) weaponry
> > and also technologies which the domestic industries can use within India as well as to compete with
> > international corporations - this dual-use is the best justification for appropriating large sums of
> > taxpayer funds.
> >
> > Here is an example: during wartime, it is necessary to build/repair roads and bridges rapidly.  So much
> > can be learned from a large research grant by the Government which the private sector can use to build
> > highways, bridges, flyovers, etc.  Right now, Indian companies which build roads have little or no
> > experience and hence they take years instead of months to become efficient in road construction.
> > Through a Government funded research for the Armed Forces the Military gets its knowledge which it can
> > use during wartime and the private sector can use this knowledge also to build the country in the
> > meantime....there are many such dual-use technologies that the Military can explore if the Government is
> > willing to fund them.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Vamsi M.
> >
> >
> > > I have sketched the only long-term peacable outcome I can see;  we don't go
> > > back to "unification" with Pakistan, merely a confederation or a common
> > > market.    Other worse examples have made peace, e.g. in Europe or between
> > > the United States and Russia.    Much depends on the current flow of events
> > > regarding the evolution of Islamic societies in the 21st Century.
> > >
> > > Of course, on the other hand, the 50-year civil war on the Indian
> > > subcontinent may continue, fanned by Western arms dealers and their local
> > > agents, and given the stupidity of alleged strategic thinkers on both sides,
> > > may even lead to an exchange of cities, so e.g. Lahore and Karachi get
> > > destroyed in return for Mumbai and Delhi.
> > >
> > > Calcutta may then resume its role as the capital of India once again.
> > >
> > > A Cal resident
> > >
> > > PS the last sentence is dark gallows humour, nothing more, for anyone who
> > > may require an explicit explanation.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: sdcvamsi@yahoo.com <sdcvamsi@yahoo.com>
> > > To: debate@indiapolicy.org <debate@indiapolicy.org>
> > > Date: Sunday, October 28, 2001 5:07 AM
> > > Subject: Re: On the nuclear weapons issue
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> > > >I generally disagree on a few points stated below by Dr. Roy.  First, India
> > > should focus on the world
> > > >stage rather than Pakistan for its defense issues.  In fact, Military
> > > programs and Space programs MUST
> > > >be combined within India or at least occupy same importance in Delhi.  The
> > > key question in this century
> > > >is whether Indian Defense programs can generate enough research and
> > > technologies to give Indian
> > > >Industries and corporations the advantage they need?!  That is the nature
> > > of wars within this century
> > > >(on Earth and in Space) and Indian Military has a big role in it!!  The
> > > fact is that some countries like
> > > >US and Britain have this model where their corporations benefit immensely
> > > from defense research - all
> > > >other models seem to be weaker unless we can come up with something better
> > > where Government funding is
> > > >involved which can also benefit the private sector!!
> > > >
> > > >Second, I have been arguing that India should deploy low yield nukes (NOT
> > > nuclear weapons in the
> > > >traditional sense).  India must continue to upgrade its military to enhance
> > > reconnaissance, mobility,
> > > >and attack capabilities.  New developments in militaries of the world
> > > demands such a readiness.
> > > >
> > > >Third, the union between India and Pakistan as proposed by Dr. Roy is
> > > impossible given the ideological
> > > >differences in politics and cultures....if anything India and Pakistan must
> > > drift toward such a union by
> > > >some other means and over a longer term!
> > > >
> > > >Sincerely,
> > > >Vamsi M.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Dr. Subroto Roy wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> For some reason, IPI seems to be discussing nuclear weapons;  my position
> > > on
> > > >> that for what it is worth is that India and Pakistan would be insane to
> > > >> deploy nuclear weapons against one another... even wind changes would
> > > case
> > > >> the radioactivity to float across the border back to the user...
> > > however,
> > > >> such insane stupidity is well within the feasibility sets of both
> > > >> Governments especially the Pakistani Government, whose elite members have
> > > >> little real stake in the country as they have exported their kids and
> > > their
> > > >> bank-accounts to places like Potomac, Maryland.   During Kargil or just
> > > >> before, there was even a Foreign Minister of theirs talking about nuking
> > > us;
> > > >> cf my article "Was a Pakistani Grand Strategy Discerned in Time by
> > > India?"
> > > >> in Security and Policy Risk Analysis Bulletin, July 1999.
> > > >>
> > > >> The alternative to such insane stupidity is my proposed solution "Common
> > > >> Defence, Common Market, Common J&K", over time-frames of 1 yeyears and 5
> > > >> years respectively in that order.
> > > >>
> > > >> If anyone knows any Pakistani e-boards, please do forward this to them.
> > > >>
> > > >> Subroto Roy
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: sdcvamsi@yahoo.com <sdcvamsi@yahoo.com>
> > > >> To: debate@indiapolicy.org <debate@indiapolicy.org>
> > > >> Date: Sunday, October 28, 2001 3:17 AM
> > > >> Subject: WE WILL NEVER FORGET!!
> > > >>
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> > > >> >As I was saying the low yield nuclear weapons are fundamentally
> > > >> >different and may not fall under the same treaties for nuclear weapons.
> > > >> >Here, I am posting a paragraph from the letter issued by the Indian
> > > >> >Embassy on May 13th, 1998 which is when India performed the second set
> > > >> >of nuclear tests and are crucial for reactor technology and low yield
> > > >> >nuclear weapons simulations!!  We WILL perform as many tests as we need
> > > >> >to for the sake of India's enduring freedom in order to build the best
> > > >> >weapons program despite the ignorance and arrogance from around the
> > > >> >world and from within India!
> > > >> >___________
> > > >> >In continuation of the planned programme of underground nuclear tests
> > > >> >begun on the 11th of May,  two more sub-kiloton nuclear tests were
> > > >> >carried out at Pokharan range at 12:21 PM on the 13th of  May, 1998. The
> > > >> >tests have been carried out to generate additional data for improved
> > > >> >computer simulation of designs and for attaining the capability to carry
> > > >> >out subcritical experiments, if  considered necessary. The tests were
> > > >> >fully contained with no release of radioactivity into the atmosphere.
> > > >> >___________
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Sincerely,
> > > >> >Vamsi M.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
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