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Re: On the nuclear weapons issue: reply to Subroto R.

Please help make the Manifesto better, or accept it, and propagate it!

My point is quiet simple: we are so fixated on Pakistan (or some other Islamic nations) that we are
missing an even bigger picture!  Pakistan is belligerent because it has the support of other military
powers, namely China, North Korea, USA, etc.
(directly or indirectly)!  For example, Pak's missile and nuclear programs were successful because of
support from North Korea and China!  So, we must focus on something beyond our border nations if we are
going to have a successful long-term
foreign policy.

India MUST focus on new military technologies and there is really no other way!  And the model that I
think is best for India is one where Government funding produces high quality (sophisticated) weaponry
and also technologies which the domestic industries can use within India as well as to compete with
international corporations - this dual-use is the best justification for appropriating large sums of
taxpayer funds.

Here is an example: during wartime, it is necessary to build/repair roads and bridges rapidly.  So much
can be learned from a large research grant by the Government which the private sector can use to build
highways, bridges, flyovers, etc.  Right now, Indian companies which build roads have little or no
experience and hence they take years instead of months to become efficient in road construction.
Through a Government funded research for the Armed Forces the Military gets its knowledge which it can
use during wartime and the private sector can use this knowledge also to build the country in the
meantime....there are many such dual-use technologies that the Military can explore if the Government is
willing to fund them.

Vamsi M.

> I have sketched the only long-term peacable outcome I can see;  we don't go
> back to "unification" with Pakistan, merely a confederation or a common
> market.    Other worse examples have made peace, e.g. in Europe or between
> the United States and Russia.    Much depends on the current flow of events
> regarding the evolution of Islamic societies in the 21st Century.
> Of course, on the other hand, the 50-year civil war on the Indian
> subcontinent may continue, fanned by Western arms dealers and their local
> agents, and given the stupidity of alleged strategic thinkers on both sides,
> may even lead to an exchange of cities, so e.g. Lahore and Karachi get
> destroyed in return for Mumbai and Delhi.
> Calcutta may then resume its role as the capital of India once again.
> A Cal resident
> PS the last sentence is dark gallows humour, nothing more, for anyone who
> may require an explicit explanation.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sdcvamsi@yahoo.com <sdcvamsi@yahoo.com>
> To: debate@indiapolicy.org <debate@indiapolicy.org>
> Date: Sunday, October 28, 2001 5:07 AM
> Subject: Re: On the nuclear weapons issue
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> >Please help make the Manifesto better, or accept it, and propagate it!
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> >
> >I generally disagree on a few points stated below by Dr. Roy.  First, India
> should focus on the world
> >stage rather than Pakistan for its defense issues.  In fact, Military
> programs and Space programs MUST
> >be combined within India or at least occupy same importance in Delhi.  The
> key question in this century
> >is whether Indian Defense programs can generate enough research and
> technologies to give Indian
> >Industries and corporations the advantage they need?!  That is the nature
> of wars within this century
> >(on Earth and in Space) and Indian Military has a big role in it!!  The
> fact is that some countries like
> >US and Britain have this model where their corporations benefit immensely
> from defense research - all
> >other models seem to be weaker unless we can come up with something better
> where Government funding is
> >involved which can also benefit the private sector!!
> >
> >Second, I have been arguing that India should deploy low yield nukes (NOT
> nuclear weapons in the
> >traditional sense).  India must continue to upgrade its military to enhance
> reconnaissance, mobility,
> >and attack capabilities.  New developments in militaries of the world
> demands such a readiness.
> >
> >Third, the union between India and Pakistan as proposed by Dr. Roy is
> impossible given the ideological
> >differences in politics and cultures....if anything India and Pakistan must
> drift toward such a union by
> >some other means and over a longer term!
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >Vamsi M.
> >
> >
> >Dr. Subroto Roy wrote:
> >
> >> For some reason, IPI seems to be discussing nuclear weapons;  my position
> on
> >> that for what it is worth is that India and Pakistan would be insane to
> >> deploy nuclear weapons against one another... even wind changes would
> case
> >> the radioactivity to float across the border back to the user...
> however,
> >> such insane stupidity is well within the feasibility sets of both
> >> Governments especially the Pakistani Government, whose elite members have
> >> little real stake in the country as they have exported their kids and
> their
> >> bank-accounts to places like Potomac, Maryland.   During Kargil or just
> >> before, there was even a Foreign Minister of theirs talking about nuking
> us;
> >> cf my article "Was a Pakistani Grand Strategy Discerned in Time by
> India?"
> >> in Security and Policy Risk Analysis Bulletin, July 1999.
> >>
> >> The alternative to such insane stupidity is my proposed solution "Common
> >> Defence, Common Market, Common J&K", over time-frames of 1 yeyears and 5
> >> years respectively in that order.
> >>
> >> If anyone knows any Pakistani e-boards, please do forward this to them.
> >>
> >> Subroto Roy
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: sdcvamsi@yahoo.com <sdcvamsi@yahoo.com>
> >> To: debate@indiapolicy.org <debate@indiapolicy.org>
> >> Date: Sunday, October 28, 2001 3:17 AM
> >> Subject: WE WILL NEVER FORGET!!
> >>
> >> >---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >Please help make the Manifesto better, or accept it, and propagate it!
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> >> >
> >> >As I was saying the low yield nuclear weapons are fundamentally
> >> >different and may not fall under the same treaties for nuclear weapons.
> >> >Here, I am posting a paragraph from the letter issued by the Indian
> >> >Embassy on May 13th, 1998 which is when India performed the second set
> >> >of nuclear tests and are crucial for reactor technology and low yield
> >> >nuclear weapons simulations!!  We WILL perform as many tests as we need
> >> >to for the sake of India's enduring freedom in order to build the best
> >> >weapons program despite the ignorance and arrogance from around the
> >> >world and from within India!
> >> >___________
> >> >In continuation of the planned programme of underground nuclear tests
> >> >begun on the 11th of May,  two more sub-kiloton nuclear tests were
> >> >carried out at Pokharan range at 12:21 PM on the 13th of  May, 1998. The
> >> >tests have been carried out to generate additional data for improved
> >> >computer simulation of designs and for attaining the capability to carry
> >> >out subcritical experiments, if  considered necessary. The tests were
> >> >fully contained with no release of radioactivity into the atmosphere.
> >> >___________
> >> >
> >> >Sincerely,
> >> >Vamsi M.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
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