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Re: From Anurag

Please help make the Manifesto better, or accept it, and propagate it!
Everyone at IPI is sufficiently passionate(the minimum requirement) and more
importantly inherently honest(the proclaimed requirement) as also very
rational(The requirement)
Against this backdrop I feel that I am responding to somebody who meets all
the aforesaid QRs.The normal tendency at such forum is a recourse to use a
fradulent pronoun known as WE. I am extremely happy that the gentleman has
not used it.Instead he has stated examples about his or his folks
doings.That is the most pertinent point and it is because of that alone that
I felt compelled to register a reply.
Well done Sir.I truly believe that I am a part of everything that is wrong
in the life that surrounds me.If it had been otherwise,how would I know
about it? But there is another problem.I want to get ahead in life.There may
be many who may want to do the same.The set up in which I exist there is no
OPEN race.What do I do in such scenario?
That is what the respondant to Anurag has highlighted and surely wants that
he be declared NOT GUILTY.I will do so without any delay but:
Will it end all queries as to why things go wrong?
And why wrongs have to be accepted as norms?
Or worse that if the number of wrongs exceeds the rights forget about the
I do not do any of the above and I suffer.But then sufferings and
unhappiness is not synonimous and so I continue to be a very happy person
despite all.May I urge all to dwell upon this aspect of APPROACH.
Thank you,
Raju Bharatiya
----- Original Message -----
From: Abhijeet Pradhan <perdi420@yahoo.com>
To: <debate@indiapolicy.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: From Anurag

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> Dr. Sabhlok,
> Incentivising the "good" to join politics assumes that people who join
> politics are bad to begin with.  But there are various reasons why the
> go bad in politics and other areas of the government.  I will take this
> opportunity to write on corruption and what I feel are the two root
> 1. Low Pay is an obvious cause of corruption.  Firemen, postmen, havaldars
> are examples of some of the government employees, not paid enough to live
> decent honest life (at least in Bombay).  I even read of a case where the
> money havaldars used to collect from motorists would go towards the
> financing the xeroxing costs of the police station, so that they could
> their reports...
> 2. The biggest cause of corruption I think are socialist laws and lack of
> freedom.  I will give some examples extreme and otherwise to prove my
>  The system truly encourages corruption...
> A.  In the mid 80's you could not have a telephone other than the standard
> issue MTNL black rotary telephone.  Secondly, you could not run an
> cord to another room in the house to connect another phone to the same
> unless you got some sort of a permit and paid an extra annual fee.  Then
> too, you would still get a standard issue phone.  My father, on one of his
> trips purchased a reliable panasonic button phone with such conveniences
> redial and memory and attached it inside his bedroom.  The phoneman came
> inspect the other phone, saw the extra line running inside and immediately
> asked for a fine and the removal of the extra phone.  We negotiated
> for a 10 rupee bribe.  My question is, who was wrong here???  The phoneman
> for following a stupid rule or we, who refused to accept these stupid
> B.  A friend of mine wanted to start a small handmade paper factory.  The
> process involves no chemicals other than a biodegradeable starch adhesive,
> and in fact recycles waste cotton.  She wanted to set it up in her native
> village.  However, she was not given a permit to start one as the
> lists paper as a heavy pollution industry and her village was outside the
> zone for such industry.  She tried in vain to get them to see the
> in the two industries, filed the requisite paperwork, but to no avail...
> officer in the department where she was supposed to get the permit gave
> a solution.  "List it as a company making something other than paper, and
> during our annual inspections just pay us something to keep us happy.
> what everyone else does it anyway..."  Is the officer wrong?  He knows my
> friend will not get a permit, at the same time, he is intelligent enough
> see that my friends plant was not polluting, and thus should get a permit.
> He offered her a solution and demanded a little money for the assumption
> the risk of issuing a permit.  Whether he was right or wrong depends on
> point of view, but what is not debateable is that it was the system which
> forced two individuals to behave in a twisted way.
> The government has taken away very important freedoms from us.  The
> to create wealth.  The government through its licences and permits gets to
> choose who amoung us will have the opportunity to create wealth.  Given
> they have so much power, is it abnormal that government employees
> politicians demand their cut, and behave like public masters, rather than
> public servants.  Why is it still such a big deal to open a wine or liqour
> plant?  Why do politicians in some states still try to impose prohibition,
> if not to raise money for elections and personal use?  How is it that they
> have the power to take away our freedom to enjoy a responsible glass of
> alcohol?  This can happen with any industry, even a textile manufacturer
> not get the permit to expand his capacity.  The point is, why does he need
> permission anyways?  As long as he abides by some environmental laws, pays
> his taxes and is not killing someone etc, he should just have to notify
> government, not seek its approval...
> Where am I going with all this...  In a nutshell, as long as laws exist,
> that restrict us from doing what comes naturally to humans, or curb
> freedoms, there will always be corruption.  Not only should we fight to
> repeal these laws, to win back our freedom, but also to devise a system
> where no politician or government agency can ever take these away from us.
> If this is done the system will clean itself.  People are inherently good.
> Have faith in them.  Corruption is a symptom (of a flawed system), not the
> problem...
> Abhijeet
> --- "Dr. Sanjeev Sabhlok" <sanjeev@sabhlokcity.com> wrote:
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> > Please help make the Manifesto better, or accept it, and propagate it!
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> > Dear Anurag: Very good questions. I will try to respond to your's and
> > other's queries through a paper I am trying to write. Of course, others
> > are
> > free to answer/ comment. In the meanwhile, pl. try to devise a system
> > whereby you incentivise the 'good' to join politics; all our 'greatness'
> > as
> > Indians is no good unless we can solve this problem. Surely there are
> > CV Ramans still with us.
> >
> > BTW, it was fun talking to you guys at VGSOM, Kharagpur, last month.
> >
> > At 08:54 PM 03/03/2000 IST, "anurag jain" <anurag_jain10@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >Dear Mr. Sanjeev,
> > >To introduce myself i am among the few lucky ones to have a direct
> > >interactive session with you, courtsey Prof. Roy & VGSOM.
> > >Regarding the laws i'd some reservations,
> > >To make their remuneration resonable you are proposing for the hike in
> > their
> > >present salary. But this may possibly have more than one implications,
> > is
> > >quite possible that even with attractive salary the honest people may
> > still
> > >not find it attactive enough to join politics, as you are postulating.
> > This
> > >will be a real cause of concern as it may just boomrang upon us and
> > >corrupt and anti-social element may find it further rewarding to join
> > >politics.
> > >Hence the total purpose will be defeated.
> > >Waiting for your comments
> > >Anurag
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> Ah Love, could you and I conspire, To grasp this sorry state of things
> entire,
> To smash it all into a million bits, And mold it back to heart's desire.
> Jab purdah nahi koi khudah seh, to bandhon se purdah kya.
> Abhijeet A. Pradhan, 44J, Reading Rd, Edison, NJ 08817
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