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Dr. Sabhlok, 

Incentivising the "good" to join politics assumes that people who join
politics are bad to begin with.  But there are various reasons why the good
go bad in politics and other areas of the government.  I will take this
opportunity to write on corruption and what I feel are the two root causes. 


1.	Low Pay is an obvious cause of corruption.  Firemen, postmen, havaldars
are examples of some of the government employees, not paid enough to live a
decent honest life (at least in Bombay).  I even read of a case where the
money havaldars used to collect from motorists would go towards the
financing the xeroxing costs of the police station, so that they could file
their reports...

2.	The biggest cause of corruption I think are socialist laws and lack of
freedom.  I will give some examples extreme and otherwise to prove my case. 
 The system truly encourages corruption...
	A.  In the mid 80's you could not have a telephone other than the standard
issue MTNL black rotary telephone.  Secondly, you could not run an extension
cord to another room in the house to connect another phone to the same line,
unless you got some sort of a permit and paid an extra annual fee.  Then
too, you would still get a standard issue phone.  My father, on one of his
trips purchased a reliable panasonic button phone with such conveniences as
redial and memory and attached it inside his bedroom.  The phoneman came to
inspect the other phone, saw the extra line running inside and immediately
asked for a fine and the removal of the extra phone.  We negotiated instead
for a 10 rupee bribe.  My question is, who was wrong here???  The phoneman
for following a stupid rule or we, who refused to accept these stupid rules.
 
	B.  A friend of mine wanted to start a small handmade paper factory.  The
process involves no chemicals other than a biodegradeable starch adhesive,
and in fact recycles waste cotton.  She wanted to set it up in her native
village.  However, she was not given a permit to start one as the government
lists paper as a heavy pollution industry and her village was outside the
zone for such industry.  She tried in vain to get them to see the difference
in the two industries, filed the requisite paperwork, but to no avail... An
officer in the department where she was supposed to get the permit gave her
a solution.  "List it as a company making something other than paper, and
during our annual inspections just pay us something to keep us happy.  Thats
what everyone else does it anyway..."  Is the officer wrong?  He knows my
friend will not get a permit, at the same time, he is intelligent enough to
see that my friends plant was not polluting, and thus should get a permit. 
He offered her a solution and demanded a little money for the assumption of
the risk of issuing a permit.  Whether he was right or wrong depends on your
point of view, but what is not debateable is that it was the system which
forced two individuals to behave in a twisted way.  


The government has taken away very important freedoms from us.  The freedom
to create wealth.  The government through its licences and permits gets to
choose who amoung us will have the opportunity to create wealth.  Given that
they have so much power, is it abnormal that government employees including
politicians demand their cut, and behave like public masters, rather than
public servants.  Why is it still such a big deal to open a wine or liqour
plant?  Why do politicians in some states still try to impose prohibition,
if not to raise money for elections and personal use?  How is it that they
have the power to take away our freedom to enjoy a responsible glass of
alcohol?  This can happen with any industry, even a textile manufacturer may
not get the permit to expand his capacity.  The point is, why does he need
permission anyways?  As long as he abides by some environmental laws, pays
his taxes and is not killing someone etc, he should just have to notify the
government, not seek its approval...

Where am I going with all this...  In a nutshell, as long as laws exist,
that restrict us from doing what comes naturally to humans, or curb
freedoms, there will always be corruption.  Not only should we fight to
repeal these laws, to win back our freedom, but also to devise a system
where no politician or government agency can ever take these away from us. 
If this is done the system will clean itself.  People are inherently good. 
Have faith in them.  Corruption is a symptom (of a flawed system), not the
problem...


Abhijeet


--- "Dr. Sanjeev Sabhlok" <sanjeev@sabhlokcity.com> wrote:
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> Please help make the Manifesto better, or accept it, and propagate it!
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> Dear Anurag: Very good questions. I will try to respond to your's and
> other's queries through a paper I am trying to write. Of course, others
> are
> free to answer/ comment. In the meanwhile, pl. try to devise a system
> whereby you incentivise the 'good' to join politics; all our 'greatness'
> as
> Indians is no good unless we can solve this problem. Surely there are some
> CV Ramans still with us.
> 
> BTW, it was fun talking to you guys at VGSOM, Kharagpur, last month.     
> 
> At 08:54 PM 03/03/2000 IST, "anurag jain" <anurag_jain10@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >Dear Mr. Sanjeev,
> >To introduce myself i am among the few lucky ones to have a direct 
> >interactive session with you, courtsey Prof. Roy & VGSOM.
> >Regarding the laws i'd some reservations,
> >To make their remuneration resonable you are proposing for the hike in
> their 
> >present salary. But this may possibly have more than one implications, it
> is 
> >quite possible that even with attractive salary the honest people may
> still 
> >not find it attactive enough to join politics, as you are postulating.
> This 
> >will be a real cause of concern as it may just boomrang upon us and more 
> >corrupt and anti-social element may find it further rewarding to join 
> >politics.
> >Hence the total purpose will be defeated.
> >Waiting for your comments
> >Anurag
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entire, 
To smash it all into a million bits, And mold it back to heart's desire.

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