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RE: Some more reasons against signing CTBT

Please help make the Manifesto better, or accept it, and propagate it!

Please do what u can do have Pakistan declared as a terrorist state. Form a
lobby, hire PR people, go on a media blitz, tell the americans what the
pakis have been upto. 


Indrajit Barua.


>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:45:58 -0800 (PST)
>From: apatnaik <apatnaik@swbell.net>
>To: debate@indiapolicy.org
>Subject: Some more reasons against  signing CTBT
>Reply-To: debate@indiapolicy.org
>Please help make the Manifesto better, or accept it, and propagate it!
>Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 14:32:18 -0600
>Some more reasons not to sign CTBT
>-----Original Message-----
>From: apatnaik [mailto:apatnaik@swbell.net]
>Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2000 2:30 PM
>To: 'S Gopal'
>Subject: RE: Question to your article on SAAG on Indian
>Dear Mr. Gopal,
>Thanks for your reply, I am against India signing CTBT for many reasons, one
>of which is the future of Nuclear weapons is very much a reality and more so
>is its continued development towards controlled mini-nukes.
>This is the direction being taken by the US and Russia, It is a very
>dangerous for mindsets to stop, India towards developing this capability
>that may require testing.
>Here is a report I came across that may have covered the mini-nukes being a
>weapon of choose by terrorists ..and this is not fiction..
>Special to WORLD TRIBUNE.COM - Monday, August 9, 1999
>WASHINGTON -- Saudi fugitive Osama Bin Laden is believed to have up to 20
>nuclear bombs and is seeking to launch a massive terrorist strike against
>the United States, a congressional investigator and author says.
>Yosef Bodansky, a researcher of the House Task Force for Counterterrorism
>and author of a new book on Bin Laden, told a news conference on Friday that
>Bin Laden has been seeking to follow up on his bombings of two U.S.
>embassies in east Africa one year ago. Echoing U.S. officials, Bodansky said
>Bin Laden was thwarted in plans to blow up the U.S. embassy and two
>consulates in India in last December and January.
>Bin Laden has biological, chemical and nuclear weapons, Bodansky said. The
>nuclear weapons include suitcase bombs acquired through Chechniyan rebels
>and received technical help from Iraq.
>"The Russians believe that he has a handful [of nuclear weapons], the Saudi
>intelligence services are very conservative, perhaps they are friendly to
>the United States, believe that he has in the neighborhood of 20," Bodansky
>said. "As far as the acquisition and obtaining, there's the multiple sources
>of that, dealing with the actual purchase of suitcase bombs. His collection
>of individuals knowledgeable in activating the bombs and he is looking for
>and recruiting former Soviet special forces in learning how to operate the
>bombs behind enemy lines."
>"As far as decision-making in Washington is concerned, we should assume that
>he has them," he added. "Most of them have been transferred through
>"Let me stress here: We don't have any indication that they are going to use
>it tomorrow or any other day," added Bodansky, whose analyses are considered
>controversial in Washington. "But they have the capability, they have the
>legitimate authorization, they have the logic for using it. So, one does not
>go into the tremendous amount of expenditures, effort, investment in human
>beings, in human resources, to have something that will be just kept
>somewhere in storage for a rainy day."
>Bodansky said Bin Laden has strong ties with Islamic fundamentalists
>throughout the Middle East, the Balkans, Britain in the Untied States. He
>refused to name any specific organization in the United States.
>"There's a distinct minority within the Moslem community in the United
>States that is very sympathetic to his cause, to his analysis and
>interpretation of the relationship between the hub of Islam and the
>penetration of Westernization, Western culture and the like," he said. "And
>a minority among this minority are known to have crossed the threshold of
>willingness to commit terrorist acts or commit violence. Many have been
>trained in Afghanistan, Bosnia and elsewhere throughout the Moslem world, so
>that they are capable. They have the skills and capabilities to carry out an
>operation as required."
>Bodansky said Bin Laden remains in Afghanistan. He said the Saudi is located
>in Islam Darva, about 80 kilometers northwest of Kandahar. When he wants to
>communicate with the outside world, he travels to Jalalabad.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: S Gopal [mailto:gopal@blr.vsnl.net.in]
>Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 11:01 AM
>To: apatnaik@swbell.net
>Subject: Re: Question to your article on SAAG on Indian
>Dear Mr. Patnaik
>                  Thanks for your perceptive comments on my article on
>Nuclear Doctrine on the SAAG website. Your comments were forwarded by Shri
>Raman and I am sorry for the delay in responding . I was preoccupied with
>some personal matters during the whole of December.Now to your comments
> Yes , Without economic strength  it is not possible to stand up to any
>bullying . bullying as you could see is through economic weapons and not
>through military and much less nuclear weapons.all the nuclear weapons they
>had did not help the former soviet union to stay together and worse face
>the relentless onslaught of the American capitalism. India would therefore
>do well to concentrate on building up its economic strength and not talk of
>triads etc.
>I agree with you that we must retain the min deterrence  but that could be
>confined to handle Pakistan now . There should be a paralled track in
>building economic strength along with military and nuclear strength.Please
>understand that nuclear wars are unwinnable by any one and there is no
>victor left in the end. But faced with the irrational intrasigence of
>Pakistan which will not rule out the first nuclear attack we need to
>prepare ourselves for deterring pakistan from doing it.The rest of the
>world including China is rational and there is no need to unnecessarily
>prepare in a big way to deter them.
> yes there is no hurry to sign the CTBT. However only our scientists can
>answer the question . If they are confident that the tests done so far are
>sufficient then why not sign it but not ratify it till others including the
>U.S. do ?
>There is a provision in the treaty to opt out in supreme national interests.
>with regards. gopal
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