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Re: Guptara, Mangalwadi, Shourie's nephew and "fascism"

Please help make the Manifesto better, or accept it, and propagate it!
of late i am finding that ipi debates are lacking depth. many members 
respond in a way that smacks of political or agenda or venting out of 
unrealized frustrations.
i agree with dr roy

>From: "Dr.SubrotoRoy" <sroy@vgsom.iitkgp.ernet.in>
>Reply-To: debate@indiapolicy.org
>To: <debate@indiapolicy.org>
>Subject: Guptara, Mangalwadi, Shourie's nephew and "fascism"
>Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:54:46 -0800 (PST)
>Please help make the Manifesto better, or accept it, and propagate it!
>Mr. Arun Shourie's nephew is assaulted somewhere in Madhya Pradesh.   That
>is the apparently unsigned information Mr. Guptara sends to Dr Sanjeev
>Sabhlok at IPI.  To this he adds that his hero Mr. Mangalwadi likes the
>victim of the assault.  Then we are told the assailants are "fascists".   
>are told the victim of the assault is a Brahmin "of the priestly caste",
>that he was helping the Shudras, who are at the bottom of the social 
>Now this is all an overtly political agenda which goes against IPI's rules
>and commonsense.  Besides amusement, and a concern that IPI would again
>degenerate as it did last year into irrelevancies, one question arose in my
>mind, which is purely factual, and which Mr. Guptara or his friends is
>challenged to answer:
>Q.  Could Mr. Guptara or Mr. Mangalwadi please be kind enough to trace any
>linkage between the characters named by them as assailants of Mr. Shourie's
>nephew, and Benito Mussolin's Fascist Party in Italy?
>Many thanks
>Subroto Roy.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: prabhu.guptara@ubs.com <prabhu.guptara@ubs.com>
>To: debate@indiapolicy.org <debate@indiapolicy.org>
>Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 1:57 PM
>Subject: FYI on India
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> >Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:48:15 +0100
> >
> >     The following news release may be of interest to you, so I am 
> >     it on to you.  Do use it as you see fit but all follow-up questions
> >     please to Mr Chandra Kant Shourie, Tel: + 91.7673 -32354; email:
> >     cshourie@rediffmail.com
> >
> >     Many thanks
> >
> >     Professor Prabhu Guptara
> >     Director, Executive and Organisational Development
> >     Wolfsberg Executive Development Centre
> >     (a subsidiary of UBS AG)
> >     CH-8272 Ermatingen
> >     Switzerland
> >     Tel: +41.71.663.5605
> >     Fax: +41.71.663.5594
> >     e-mail: prabhu.guptara@ubs.com
> >     INTERNET: http://www.wolfsberg.com
> >
> >
> >
> >     Famous Indian Journalist's Nephew Suffers New Year's Attack by
> >     Fascists
> >
> >     Arun Shourie's nephew suffers New Year Attack by Fascists
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >     Chandrakant Shourie, the nephew of one of India's most prominent
> >     journalists, Arun Shourie, was attacked by fascists on New Year's 
> >     in a remote part of Central India. Chandrakant, his wife, their son
> >     and friends and neighbours suffered in the attack which also damaged
> >     Mr Shourie's house and property.
> >
> >
> >
> >     Chandrakant Shourie's friends, Sudhir Mishra and Sanjeev Shrivastava
> >     and family were celebrating New Year together with them. At about
> >     11.30 another neighbour, Jagat Ram with his wife and two small
> >     children, also arrived as they had also been invited. Mr Shourie 
> >     out to welcome them when Pappu Singh, Dibbu Singh, Ganesh Dheemar,
> >     Vinod Singh, Vasudev Singh and Sharad Singh attacked Mr Shourie.
> >     However, everyone in the house rushed out to Mr Shourie's rescue and
> >     when this was done, the party belonging to the house went back into
> >     the house, before going to report the matter to the Police.
> >
> >     At 12.05 a.m. Mr Shourie returned from the Police Station along with 
> >     Police escort. As soon as he stepped out of the car at his gate, he
> >     was attacked afresh by Ashok Singh, Babu Lal Patel as well as some 
> >     all of the earlier attackers and possibly some others.
> >
> >     On hearing the uproar, some of the friends and Mrs Shourie and son
> >     Ashish Shourie ran out, managed to rescue Mr Chandrakant Shourie
> >     again, brought him inside the house and locked him in one room for 
> >     own safety. The attackers then charged the house armed with sticks 
> >     other lethal weapons and started beating up everyone in sight
> >     indiscriminately.
> >
> >     Mrs Shourie suffered a wound on her hand and was protected by others
> >     even at risk to their own lives. Son Ashish had to get 5 stitches on
> >     his right hand. Friend and neighbour Sanjeev Shrivastava was hurt in
> >     his hand also; Mr Shrivastava's father as well as his brother were
> >     badly beaten up and both sustained head injuries.
> >
> >     "All this hapenned in the presence of the Police personnel" says Mr
> >     Chandrakant Shourie, "They were either unwilling or unable to 
> >     us".
> >
> >     Then began the process of lodging police records and undergoing
> >     medical
> >     examination. They returned home, exhausted and traumatized at 4.00
> >     a.m., unlike most people in the world on New Year's Night who were
> >     able to welcome the dawn of the year 2000 with street parties, or
> >     special excursions or safely in their own beds.
> >
> >     Ten days after the incident, the main culprits are still roaming
> >     freely and are threatening the witnesses and going around saying 
> >     they will kill Mr Shourie, and cut him into pieces!
> >
> >     What could cause such strange things to happen?
> >
> >     When Chandrakant Shourie graduated with a Bachelor of Engineering
> >     Degree from one of India's premier Engineering Institutes (BIT
> >     Pilani), he surprised everyone by idealistically deciding not to
> >     pursue a career in engineering or computing or management but to 
> >     to Nagod, one of India's most remote and backward places in India, 
> >     set up a school for the most disadvantaged groups of people there. 
> >     Shouries belong to the Brahmin caste (the top caste, of priests) 
> >     has traditionally been scholarly and idealistic. But with financial
> >     support only from a few family friends, the "school" was much too
> >     idealistic and not at all scholarly. At the start: Mr and Mrs
> >     Shourie's bedroom served as the only classroom and the school 
> >     was the few books that the family itself possessed which they shared
> >     with the students who came to them.
> >
> >     But for the poor and the oppressed in Central India - that is, the
> >     lower castes, the Shudras, the virtual slaves and the untouchables -
> >     even that little was an enormous boon! No one had taken interest in
> >     their troubles for hundreds if not thousands of years.
> >
> >     These "lower caste" people have very little education and 
> >     The higher caste people (Thakurs) enjoy all the priveleges and hold
> >     all the power in the administration and the police. So when an
> >     injustice is perpetrated, the poor have no voice.
> >
> >     Over the twenty years that the Shouries have run their school in
> >     Nagod, some of these poor people have started turning to the Shourie
> >     family for help, and in a number of cases they were able to help the
> >     poor people get redress through proper legal and administrative
> >     procedures . The people have begun to trust them and come to them in
> >     their times of trouble. As they help the poor, the Shouries have 
> >     to be seen by the ruling castes as a challenge to their 
> >     hold over the poor people.
> >
> >     According to Mr Shourie, "This incident was designed to send a 
> >     to the poor and the oppressed: 'if we can do this to an educated
> >     Brahmin like Mr. Shourie in his own home, you poor people are
> >     certainly not safe from us and should expect no help from them'. 
> >     incident has nothing to do with personalities but with principles. 
> >     is a sign of the desperation of the old order as it continues to try
> >     to prevent education and liberty and market forces from eroding the
> >     reign of terror which the ruling caste has exercised over this land
> >     for centuries. If they kill me and my wife and my entire family, 
> >     they prevent education and liberation from coming to this dark part 
> >     India? By disabling or removing us from the scene they will limit or
> >     deprive the poor people of the little help that we have been able to
> >     give them. But the powerful and the mighty should realise that 
> >     is against them and they should do as feudal elites in Northern 
> >     for example did when they were in a parallel situation. The Northern
> >     European elites chose to go along with change and even sponsor 
> >     That way their whole land benefited and they themselves are still
> >     there as the richest sections of their societies. But in other parts
> >     of Europe, for example Russia, the elites did resisted change. The
> >     result was that their whole land still suffers from backwardness and
> >     their traditional elite classes have in any case been completely
> >     eliminated. In a globalising world, there are new opportunities, we
> >     should be working together to produce more wealth for everyone, not
> >     continuing the centuries old game of mystification and oppression".
> >
> >     Mr and Mrs Shourie's work is extremely highly regarded and the
> >     prize-winning Indian author Vishal Mangalwadi dedicated his book on
> >     the New Age to them.
> >
> >     The left-wing threat from Marxist and Maoist groups in the Sixties 
> >     Seventies has now been replaced by the threat from fascists who want
> >     to take over the country, destroy the tradition of Hindu tolerance,
> >     replace the secular constitution, and take India back into some
> >     version of the middle ages.
> >
> >     Fascist activity has been building gradually over the last several
> >     years but the last year was the worst year on record.
> >
> >     This new year attack threatens even more fascist activity for the
> >     festive year 2000.
> >
> >
> >     The Thakurs are the caste of erstwhile feudal landlords of the whole
> >     of Central/Eastern Inda. They have enslaved the people through fear
> >     and deception for ages. Many of them are very insensitive and brutal
> >     people. They are often used by the other high caste people to spread
> >     terror amongst the poor and the backward caste people. Their rule 
> >     the people lasted right through the centuries of the Mughal period 
> >     well as through the centuries of British rule because the British as
> >     well as the Mughals preferred to rule through existing structures. 
> >     is only now as Independent India has been able to mobilise resources
> >     for national reconstruction that the unassailable power of the 
> >     caste has come under challenge as a result of communication,
> >     education, transportation, modern finance and market forces and so 
> >     Most of the attackers of Mr Shourie were Thakurs (indicated by the
> >     surname "Singh" in this part of India, but not to be confused with
> >     "Singh" families from the Punjab who follow the Sikh religion).
> >
> >
> >     Contact details:
> >     Mr Chandra Kant Shourie, Tel: + 91.7673 -32354; email:
> >     cshourie@rediffmail.com
> >
> >
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