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Re: Pakistan...let's consider my solution

Please help make the Manifesto better, or accept it, and propagate it!
I have a very strong obejection to this proposal as far as implementation of 

1) What diplomatic solution are we taling about here with pakistan, haven't 
we seen enough about that in Kargil (just imagine what'd happen in US if 
there 600 soldiers die in any operation of this sort).

2) Holding a plebicite is an excellent idea, but where do you want hold it, 
in Indian held kashmir(IHK), in Pakistan held Kasmir (POK) or both. We have 
Art. 370 in effect which has barred any Indian national to go to Kasmir and 
become permanant resident there. My question is does pakistan has similar 
kind of arrangement in POK (so called free kashmir), so who are original 
Kashmiris? does this involve also people settled by Pakistan in POK. These 
are some of the complicated issues which needs to be answered first.

3) If Kashmiris really want secede from India, why not one of there 
political party get elected for state Govt. and then pass a resolution in 
the state assembly to that effect? which'd make whole process very 

4) Now we've talked about the economic viabilty, correct me if I am wrong, 
similar kind of comments were given when China occupied big land, any that 
area was uninhabitated, at the same time I don't see how defense spending is 
going to be reduced, by doing this, as India practically will have to patrol 
the similar length of border.

5) Recently I read a lot about our political figures talking about declaring 
Pak. as terrorist state, one thing I don't understand is why we in our 
parliament pass a resoltion declaring Pakistan a terrorist state, why should 
we care about others doing that, as we are the country getting affected 
directly, and at the same time we should abolish Art. 370 as well. I feel 
the time has come to start pressurising our MP's to support this kind of 

6) And lastly just because Kashmir being a integral part of India appears in 
Hindu Supremacist agenda doesn't mean that anybody supporting Kashmir being 
a part of India is Hindu Supremacist.



>From: Naveenkj@aol.com
>Reply-To: debate@indiapolicy.org
>To: debate@indiapolicy.org
>Subject: Pakistan...let's consider my solution
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:45:20 -0800 (PST)
>Please help make the Manifesto better, or accept it, and propagate it!
>    Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:43:53 EST
>     I want to make a note that I did not say I wanted to get rid Kashmir
>because it is of less economic significance.  I merely said that even if we
>were to give it up, it wouldn't hurt our economy: one because very less is
>contributed by the region anyway, and our military, intelligence spending
>will be reduced.
>     This is all I'm proposing regarding Kashmir:  We will have to form a
>diplomatic solution with Pakistan.  We will have to sit with the Pakistani
>leaders, and along with a mediator from a neutral country (Sweden?), to 
>up with agreements as to what part of Kashmir they will get, and that they
>will not ask for more. (Much like what the Israelis and the Syrians are
>     There will actually be two votes.  Let me explain: the first vote is 
>find out whether the Kashmiri's want to be independent, or join with
>Pakistan; the people in Kashmir will decide this.  Once that has been
>decided, this decision will have to be ratified by the Indian Parliament.  
>think this will best represent the interest of all citizens of India, 
>their elected representatives.  The argument that pundits are driven out of
>their homes is a very valid one.  But through this ratification process 
>will have a say, and people can have an opportunity to pressure for or
>     Now is this solution pragmatic? I think it is.  I don't think this 
>lead to the Assamese to do the same thing or the Punjabis or any other
>separatist group.  I think they are much weaker than the Paki supported
>Kashmir separatist.  I also disagree to the mere SPECULATION that Pakistan 
>supporting all separatists.
>     Kashmir was a disputed area ever since independence; it was even
>discussed during the Paki separation.  So I think this is the best 
>     Now, what we do if the vote is defeated? What if people want Kashmir 
>stay with India? Well then that decision of democracy at work should be
>respected as well and we are back to square one.  But I think that,
>nevertheless this issue needs to be decided by people and their
>representatives and not just by special interest Hindu supremacist
>This is the National Debate on System Reform.       debate@indiapolicy.org
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