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RE: Reservations debate



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I think that their's a lot of sense in what umesh tewari says. each one
of us who does not believe in the inequitous caste system should be bold
enough to say that he or she has no caste. I fore one have always said
so. Indeed, my family has been saying the same thinfg for the last 70
years.

I respect my religion (or rather - the hindu way of life) but cannot
countenance that evil called casteism, whic is a curse and a blot on our
way of life.

>Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 20:31:52 -0800 (PST)
>From: "Tiwari, Umesh K" <UKTiwari@pcgb.com>
>To: debate@indiapolicy.org
>Subject: RE: Reservations debate
>Reply-To: debate@indiapolicy.org
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>Dear Dr. Sablok,
>
>Your outbursts on people expressing their opinions about caste based
>reservations are rather inappropriate. I am talking about your
statement
>
>which starts with "I've said it before many times and say it again..."
>as
>you go on to conclude that "...Reservations are NOT the cause of
India's
>
>plight.India primarily owes its problems to the disastrousexperiment
>with
>socialism ...."
>
>Please please Sanjeev, let us remember that we allow concerned citizens

>to
>express their opinions on issues that they think affect Indian society.

>Maintaining rather unwelcome posture to towards opinions that we don't
>agree
>with, or something that seems to have been discussed and perhaps agreed

>otherwise, assumes that everyone participating in the debate are fully
>aware
>of all of the things that have happened here in the short history of
>IPI.
>
>Moreover, while agreeing in principle that free market is the answer to

>lot
>of problems of our society, and rather socialistic way our economy
>crawled
>for the last fifty years is part of the problem, you cannot simply wish

>away
>some socialism when there are hundreds of millions of our people who
are
>
>simply not prepared to any kind of economy let alone talking about
>brutal
>free market.
>
>Even the free market Mecca of this world, the United States, still
>fights
>over how much socialism the state or federal governments need to
>practice,
>and that defines the difference between radical republicans and
moderate
>
>democrats. I am sure you know the welfare laws of the United States
>which
>have no role in a free market.
>
>So, welfare is not going to go away however much you talk about it. Our

>economy has been a mixed economy, more socialistic and the direction it

>has
>already taken is towards free market. Frustratingly slow pace of
reforms
>is
>the issue, however talking about that would mean shifting focus away
>from
>the caste based reservation policy that you responded to.
>
>Please remember, in however great a language you write the philosophy
of
>
>doing away with reservations on a time bound basis, that is not
>implementable. If that were the case, we would have been living in a
>different world today, cuz, originally the reservations were set out to

>be
>only for 10 years, and even now, the parliament has extended it for
>another
>10 years only to do it again after 10 years!
>
>The fact is, whoever gets into the privileged category of being
>"backward"
>by caste, refuses to qualify out of it ever. Political pressure doesn't

>allow politicians to challenge this large segment of our society which
>doesn't want to let go of this little more then just a feel good factor

>in
>their miserable lives.
>
>Yes sir, I challenge you to find a way to remove caste based
>reservations.
>You cannot ask individuals to stop discriminating on the basis of caste

>until you stop the state from doing so in the first place. Civilized
>societies don't teach fighting evil with evil, rather then
>discriminating
>against merit, there ought to be tough laws to stop any kind of
>discrimination of the basis of caste.
>
>This can only be achieved when people like you and I refuse to identify

>ourselves as being of a particular caste, or at least being upper or
>lower
>caste. Also we must spark a public debate by asking people to speak out

>whether they feel they are any inferior or superior simply because they

>are
>born to a particular caste. Then there should be a public referendum as

>to
>whether citizens of India want to be recognized for their caste by
their
>
>government or if the government should mind providing basic education
to
>
>all, welfare to the needy irrespective of their caste and of course
>enforce
>some regulations so that within a limited parameter, private
educational
>and
>business organizations are asked to maintain some cultural and ethnic
>diversity without hurting the cause of merit or productivity.
>
>Cheers!
>
>Umesh Tiwari



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