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RE: Indian power systems as an obstacle to development



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Bhuwan,

I do not dispute for a moment that a 'significant percentage' of China's 
population (particularly in the rural areas untoutched by recent growth) 
suffers from poverty. However, a brief look at some figures should 
illustrate the point I was trying to make:

Indicator     India       China

HDI           44          72

Life exp
Male          58          68
Female        58          71

Adult
literacy(%)   41          65

I agree also that these comparisons have no concrete value in the real 
world. However, as mentioned in my previous post, I believe there are 
important lessons to be learnt from China's experience.

Of course, I do not suggest a Communist revolution! As I mentioned in the 
previous post, the key to China's success was that 'it was governed *for* 
the people, by a leadership that truly wanted a rise in the standard of 
living of the population.' You quite rightly ask how 'power to the people' 
can be attained in the ground reality of Indian politics.

I suggest the creation of a political party whose sole aim, aside from 
matters of internal security and stability, is to secure a rise in the 
standard of living for those whose SOL is, in the words of Macnamara 'so low 
as to be below any reasonable definition of human decency'.

I genuinly believe that such a party could gain a respectable ammount of 
votes. Political change, ultimately, must come from the people themselves. 
At present, in general, the only choice is between one or another group of 
corrupt, self-interested politicians. (Having said this, the BJP's manifesto 
does make some impressive declerations on the future of agricultural 
development).

If you are interested in China's model of development, I reccomend Sartaj 
Aziz's 'Rural development - learning from China', ISBN 0333234413.

Regards,

Richard

>From: "Kulshreshta, Bhuwan" <Bhuwan.Kulshreshta@usa.xerox.com>
>Reply-To: debate@indiapolicy.org
>To: "'debate@indiapolicy.org'" <debate@indiapolicy.org>
>Subject: RE: Indian power systems as an obstacle to development
>Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 11:46:17 -0700 (PDT)
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>Richard,
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>Have you been to china??
>
>To believe that china does not have a significant percentage of its
>population below the poverty line is absolutely incorrect. I have
>travelled to china many times and outside of the Big cities poverty is
>widely prevalent. It is of course inconsequential to debate if china has
>less or more poor than India as this does nothing for the problem.
>
>Your belief about the government being truly representative of the people
>is of course correct and I do not think any one could have any objections
>to this view. The moot point however is to figure out how exactly is this
>to be achieved given the complexity of India.
>
>Your views on actions to achieve your stated ends may well be of far
>greater interest to all of us. So lets hear from you more on this.
>
>Regards,
>
>Bhuwan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Richard Parr [mailto:rjparr@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Friday, May 07, 1999 8:01 PM
>To: debate@indiapolicy.org
>Subject: Indian power systems as an obstacle to development
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>Plase forgive me if anything I say has been discussed previously,or if my
>comments are inappropriate,as I am new to the debate.
>
>It seems to me that, although India is a democracy, the centeral obstacle
>to her eradicating poverty is the fact that the political power systems -
>on national and regional levels - are not truly representaitve of the
>voters. For all the rhetoric and waffle about poverty reduction, some
>300,000,000 Indians are living in absolute poverty. Contrast this with
>China (for all her lack of a fair, democratic system of government), which
>has succeeded, in 50 years, in wiping out the most severe manifestationsit 
>was governed *for* the people,
>by a leadership that truly wanted a rise in the standard of living of the
>population.
>of deprivation.
>
>I would argue that the only way forward for India is to elect a government
>with the interest of the masses at heart. China succeeded not through
>socialist economic planning, but because
>
>There is no point in having a democracy if the people who are elected do 
>not
>
>represent adequately the electorate. I believe that India cannot hope to
>develop properly until power really is shifted to the people.
>
>I would be most interested to recieve any comments on this brief outline of
>my beliefs.
>
>rjparr@hotmail.com
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