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Re: Problems with 'participatory democracy'

> a) the "user pays principle" under the manifesto under economic
> policy [user to pay to the extent possible]

> b) the issue of encouraging refernda on major policy issues.

I take it that you and Anthony both are saying that economic democracy 
is an ideal that is difficult to achieve, if not impossible. I recognize 
that, and accept the compromise proposed above, with this specific rider 
attached as a poser:

- do we explicitly state that economic democracy is the ideal and that a 
representative/participatory model (even one that incorporates the 
user-pays principle in substantial degree) is at best an approximation 
of the ideal? In doing so, we might be able to build in language that 
clearly says that approximating the ideal must be the primary objective 
in formulating the non-ideal alternative.

It is because I see most policies as approximates, at best, of the 
ideal, that I wanted the earlier provision in the manifesto requiring 
that in the event we are unable to alter society using pre-agreed 
methods, we remain obliged to uphold existing norms and codes of 


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